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 CMC RIGHT NOW opened memo on board WORLD OF HOMESTUCK FATE EDITION.

 CMC: ♐ <3 ♏

 CURRENT chessAficionado [CCA] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

 CCA: <3...

 CURRENT acquiredCarne [CAC] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

 CAC: 

 CMC: ♐ Good news, I'm almost done with this assignment ♏

 CCA: yay...

 CMC: ♐ which may allow me to be sami's server tonight ♏

 CCA: aa cant promise dedicated attention...

 CURRENT arcaneArtisan [CAA] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

 CAA: Not at the moment.

 CMC: ♐ neither can I ♏

 CCA: :(...

 CAA: After 5:00 or 6:00 I might be able to.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ but in a few hours I might be able to be attentive enough to help you ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: That's 5:00 or 6:00 CST.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ even better ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ i'll need a break. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT calamitousClotho [CCC] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: huehue

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: so which will it be?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: 5 or 6?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: thats a whole hour...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ As long as, of course, fuckin ghost imps be attackin me while i'm trying to server you in ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ ghost imps don't be ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: the imps are restless

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: they require meat

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT gearworkTender [CGT] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: While you're resting

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: The Imps are Training

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: and the gears a turning

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: *are

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Well I can't really fight them much while one of my coplayers is putzin around on earth ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Stop calling attention to the gears!

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ THE GEARS ARE ON MY TREES ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ FUCKIN GEARTREES ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: hehe...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: they prefer to be called cognifers

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ ha, ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ you silly cunt ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> -- CURRENT meditatingCybermind [CMC] claps --

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: now canon

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ yesss ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: yes, my shitty joke is all grown up

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ i can't remember, did jade ever upgrade her rifle ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ or did she just say fuckit and godtiered ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: no...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: she didnt i dont think...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: she was given the Ahab's Crosshairs

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT gaslampTragedian [CGT] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Yeah she did

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: she never used them

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Girls best friend

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: but said it sucked...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Shot Dave with it

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: oh yeah...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: I try to forget that happened

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ oh yea ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ ahab ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Idk what i'm gonna do yet with my Xbow ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Silly kids you don't even know HOW to combine items

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: duct tape

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Yes, apparently just wrapping things around your shoes is not how you do it.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: null...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Sami got admonished by the world for trying that.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: really?...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I could be all like ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ http://www.gamehdw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Diablo-3-Demon-Hunters-Wallpaper.jpg ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: fucking world, thinks it knows shit

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Well not like REALLY admonished.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Just called naughty for trying to do things without the proper "technology."

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: should have read the manual

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ OH ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ MY GOD I HAVE THE GREATEST IDEA WITH HOW TO BE A FEROCIOUS GODTIER FIGHTER ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: godtier first...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: You don't even know how to get the tiger yet!

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ SHADDAP IM THINKING AHEAD ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: firing squad?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: What if the tiger is too fast?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ TIMEPLAYERS HAVE TO THINK AHEAD ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I thought that was Seers.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: And maybe Mages.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Although given your Sprite...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ IM SCARED ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: how do mages even work?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: hehe...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Don't know! Common fanon is that they're like more active Seers.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: But the only one we've seen do much was Sollux.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: One data point does not a graph make

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Yeah, exactly.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Fire bolt, hasten bolt such that it impacts target in an instant, reverse bolt and crossbow so they are united and drawn again in an instant, repeat. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Meulin didn't get enough screentime or backstory to really help us grope for patterns.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I have theories as well

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: so we know pretty much fuckall for what to even assume

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Considering that the Mage is the active version of the Maid

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I though Maid was active version of sylph ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ where mage is active of seer ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Sylph was said to be like a Witch but more Magical, I think.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Kanaya later said she said that facetiously ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ as in wrongly or sarcastically ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Did she? I didn't remember that part.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=008181 ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ TG: what the dick is a sylph GA: I Am On Record As Once Having Facetiously Likened It To A Magical Witch ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it was actually fairly recent ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: so, who is entering tonight, and at what time

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'll try pulling in sami mcfanny tonight ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ up to her on the time ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: Doir is entering when he gets back I think...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: OK.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: has anyone here seen dane recently?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: nope...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ whats his handle ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: guilleretianComplex

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ nope ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: nope...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: I sent him an email

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: hopefully he'll get it and respond soon

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: He has a promising style so I'd hate to have to drop him :(

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ yea i hope he doesn't drop or have to be dropped due to inactivity ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: might want to do Moss too, unless he's been on when I haven't.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ don't think i've seen moss ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT aibohphilicGapeseed [CAG] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: moss came in exactly once

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: and put up his blurb

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: I saw him on like 2 weeks ago

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: and iirc we haven't seen him since?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ galactoid arrival is moss right? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT carewornAstrologist [CCA] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: Assuming tigers haven't been chosen, I'd like to be a light player.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ tigers? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: Got tiger

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: godteirs...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: God tier

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: In about an hour, I should be able to at least play as a Server player.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ http://cnt.likealaugh.org/158Ghoulo/20131013-163033-158-346.gif ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ oh yea ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: I believe the mods have an idea for everyone's tiger

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: I NEED A DOGE

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: WOW...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Hmmmm....

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Sometime this week (probably not Friday though), I'd like to try and see if I can handle playing as client from work to see if that's going to be feasible, as that will directly affect which human team I can be part of.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: ok

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Are there any human teams recruiting still D:

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: idk lol...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ hey americans. The government is reopening soon. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: yaya...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: did the budge on obamacare?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: they*

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Republicans lost ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ they relented, finally ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: thank fucking god

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: yay...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Has the vote actually been held yet?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ This debacle was an atrocity and the likelihood of a republican controlled anything next election is low ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I'm not holding my breath until the vote goes through and the House has officially voted to re-open. Last I heard it was just that the Speaker was finally going to ALLOW a vote.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ no, but the rule preventing the house to vote on it without boehners permission has been removed ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Things are looking up then. But I've seen congress screw up too much to not be wary still.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: thank goodness.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Those of you who are interested: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/ ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Did you see that Tumblr screenshot with the poll of whether people preferred Nickleback or Congress?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Maybe I'm just curmudgeonly...but a balnaced budget isn't an unreasonable expectation

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: And they preferred Nickelback by like 10%?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Yea ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Its really sad ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ the last time congress was this shitty we had a civil war ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: But you know why we don't have one now, right?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: It's not just congress, it's 4 generations of profligate presidents and the natural decay of any democracy

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Actually, I'm in a political science class called "the problems in american democracy" right now. The issue is actually the seperation of powers. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Don't get me started on that

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAC: motherfucker, one of those is the rep from my district

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> -- CURRENT calamitousClotho [CCC] grabs her popcorn --

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Nerf Justice

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ The government is divided (by design) so it can't get anything done, and the representatives can't be held accountable (by design) for their action ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Just a heads up

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: If political or religious discussion gets too heated

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: i will tell everyone to shut up

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Supreme court is broke as shit

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Anyway, please continue

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: *psssssst CC, pass the popcorn...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: And break out the shipping chart?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> -- CURRENT calamitousClotho [CCC] passes popcorn --

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Boehner <3 Pelosi?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: *munch...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ It is ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> -- CURRENT chessAficionado [CCA] passes it back --

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Mods, Please Nerf the SC, it is so OP.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ but the supreme court isn't the most glaring issue, if anything, it is the least problematic ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it is still, of course, very problematic. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: It may be the least problematic

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: but that's like saying that the guy who only killed 15 million people is the least evil compared to the guy who killed 25 and the guy who killed 50

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: >.<

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Seperation of powers, imperial judiciary, radical individualism, citizen participation, trivialized elections, The "priviliged position" of business, inequality, the national security state ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: kk brb...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: But if you give the executive the power to force congress or hold them responsible, it's essentially an autocracy with a burocratic loading screen

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Those are the 8 problems leading to the decline of the US, and will eventually result in its downfall or radical reform/revolution ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Agreed. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I don't mean to downplay their significance in bullshittery ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: That's why you don't give that power to the Executive. You create a new branch of government: the Accountability Alligator. This will be an actual underfed Alligator who you have to schedule an appointment with when found guilty of corruption.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: If you last the whole hour long meeting, you're absolved.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ That would give a bias to burly crocodile hunters and lumberjacks ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I am okay with this.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Steve irwin for president ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Besides corruption is a very relative term

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ someone needs to prototype steve irwin ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I define it as allowing outside influences to make one act in a way contrary to one's duty to their constituents.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Especially moneyed interests.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Or at least contrary to one's stated platform.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: HAHAHA

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: AA

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: AA

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Come to chicago

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: If you run on a platform of "I will set fire to the entire state of Nevada" and the Nevada electorate votes for you, it is not corrupt to set Nevada on fire.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ oh god you livei n chicago ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ i'm sorry ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: we live in DOWNTOWN CHICAGO

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ fuck. that. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: The relative morality of that platform is arguable, but the corruption is obvious.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Chicago is notoriously corrupt.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: IKR

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Corruption capitol of the USA ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: IT is

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I live about as far from Chicago as you can be without leaving the lower 48, but even I hear stories.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: I'm from MO, and I was SHOCKED when I moved up here

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ actually idk, the federal government may be more corrupt, just more subtly so ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Yeah

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: It's not subtle at all. =P

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Here in Chicago they're totally open about it

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ oh I know ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it makes me understand why obamacare is how it is ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ which is to say ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Insurance Company lobbying?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ a corporate handjob sold to constituents as "Universal Healthcare" ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Like, We donated to the Police Pension Fund, now the police turn a blind eye to what we do, and if we call the police, they show up fast.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: yep

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Obama used to be an Organizer around here

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: thanks obama...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Which is to say...a racketeer

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Obamacare is almost identical to the plan put forward by the Heritage Foundation in the 80's. It's a pro-corporate plan, not a pro-social plan.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: hey idgaf what it is

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: if I can get insurance for less than five hundred a month per person, I'm all in

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ^^^...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ kinda feels like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Hqg4zK8CdXA#t=47 ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Yeah, it's a start in that direction at least. Part of the reason the Republicans are so against it despite the fact that it's more or less their plan is that they're concerned it's going to eventually morph into true Socialized Medicine.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Which a lot of democrats will happily admit to.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: I wouldn't care about a single payer system

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: For me the big issue is the fact that I'm catholic, and surrounded by catholic businesses.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: oh hey ag, have you posted the [s]null: enter yet?...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: but those issues have been talked to death

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm thinking of moving to france or canada (after I pirate a rosetta stone for french) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: aah, i speak french. :P

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: pod101 is pretty good too

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: And you don't want to live in france. Trust me

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: you can get the full download online probably

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ does it suck? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ (i'll of course try it out with a vacation first :-p) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: rutracker.com is a good torrent finding site if you can wade through the russian. all of the relevant bits are in english mostly

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I wouldn't mind moving to another country, except I doubt I could get a green card anywhere.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ but ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: of course piratebay.sx is amazing too

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ pirate bay ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: ^^^^^ lol

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: The place to be is Germany really

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I had considered teaching English in Japan for a few years after graduating college. But then I had to start working full time to qualify for health insurance and I dropped out of college with only like six credits left.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Strong economy, politically quite stable...bathrooms where all the toliet seats aren't fucking stolen for no apparent reason

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: yeah I'm thinking of moving to Germany in a few years

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ oh yea ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Germany is one of the ones i'm interested in too ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ especially with the extent of their renewable energy initiative ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ aren't they like 50+% renewable now? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Germany was lovely

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: ,3

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I like how so many younger people these days want to flee this sinking ship like rats

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm part of a revolutionary socialist party, but like ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ fuck this man ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: It's not so much about fleeing in my case. I'd probably come back home after a couple of years. I would've just liked to have "broadened my horizons" as it were.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ the shutdown made me like shake my head, sigh, and start packing bags ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: revolutionary socialist party eh...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I want to help turn this country around, but fucking THEY DONT WANT TO BE HELPED ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ the government, that is. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: -_- My issue is that looking at World Politics, I'm not convinced anwhere in the world is immune to that.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: I'm going to try (key word try) to travel to a bunch of different countries teaching

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Certainly not, but its not nearly as easilly puppeted ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: unfortunately the pay is just atrocious compared to what you can make her, even, like, working at wal-mart

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: here*

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Everywhere besides us uses a parliamentary democratic system ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I think I'm just going to build a golden submarine and travel the world's oceans fighting the Illuminati.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Which allows the elected party to, you know, DO SOEMTHING ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Here is question for you MC...do you think socialism is viable in a country as large and diverse as the united states?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Yes, I'm specifically a techno socialist ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I think a participatory socialist government could flourish now that the internet is as pervasive as it is ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Well I think we need to roll out cheaper energy and automate more tasks to make that viable

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ we have the technology for a direct democracy where everyone can vote on everything, or at the very least a representative democracy where representatives can be elected in real time. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: It's probably the inevitable direction once we move to post-scarcity.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Certainly that too, but if the system itself is unstable or unready, it won't work ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: But post-scarcity is probably going to bring about a great deal of chaos in the transition.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Ecosocialism is getting strong here. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ See: Green party. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: The danger of the direct democracy is micro-parties and traditional political parties

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: As the old dinosaurs that benefit from scarcity and faux-scarcity attempt to change the world to fit into a scarcity-based economy well after scarcity is all but eliminated.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ There are dangers, but I think the dangers are minute comparatively. I'll give you an example in a moment. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: They've already started trying to write laws to control 3D Printers because of that.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Reminds me...the Harold Washington library here in chicago has 3d printers for public use

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: silly question is anyone entering right now?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I need to go check that out at some point

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: yeah, pretty awesome

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: no...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: Nope

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: That is the coolest thing ever.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qiq-PREk2IE#t=57 ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ ^ check that out for about 30 seconds or so ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Sounds like I need to move to Chicago and become a Wizard Private-Eye.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: brb in a min...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: So long as you bring plenty of money to bribe everyone, you'll be fine

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: I guess I'd be a libertarian socialist except those people are normally douches and I just can't find it in myself to give a fuck

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Did you just reference The Illumenatus and the Dresden files in the span of 5 minutes...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I HAVE MANY POWERS.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: I can barely keep my own life above water, nevermind worrying about working against the entire rest of the world trying to do soemthing good

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Those are among them.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ AG that's exactly the point of this system. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: My only other experience with Chicago is Married With Children, and I assumed Dresden Files was more up to date!

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ We could live in a society with like a 20 hours or less work week, but we don't. Busy people don't think, or read, or educate themselves. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Stressed, hungry, and tired people are the same way. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: yeah, rp-ing on the internet takes a lot of my time ok???

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: xD

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Well you need personal time too ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: Hehe...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm having a lot of trouble balancing my school, political, social, personal, and romantic lives XD ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm finding myself sacrificing political more and more :C ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I'm having a lot of time just balancing my work and drawing life.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ if I had a job i'd be fucked ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: school and video game lives for me :p...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: And still finding time to play Pokemon.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ^^^...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: This political theory is a bit...naive in spots

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: But not bad

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Part one may clear up a lot about what you have grievances of ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Human nature being the biggest barrier to a functional society is a tautology I'm afraid.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I watched both parts and it's nicely compacted into 30 minutes. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ 30 minutes can't cover EVERYTHING of course, but you know. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: The decission making process suggested doesn't have the backbone to handle the sheer amount of legal bullshit

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ HUMAN NATURE IS A COPOUT ARGUMENT TO GET YOU TO AGREE WITH THE STATUS QUO ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Oh, no, I don't agree with the status quo at all.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also...it does not suggest how to scale said democracy...unless I need to be voting on bathroom stall width regulations in sandusky ohio

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I'm just saying that there are always going to be problems.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I saw something to address that GT, one moment ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Utopia is unattainable, but that doesn't mean things can't be improved upon.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ utopia is unattainable because there will always be problems and room to improve, and that's a good thing ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Agreed. Stasis and death are two words for the same thing.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also, things like...mother fucking spamming the legal que with inane requests to shut down the goverment

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And if you give anyone the ability to decide what is valid to be voted on, they become the new State

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ found it http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_one_day_transform_government.html ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also where is the cut off on microvoting....what if I'm to poor to have a home internet connection or computer or just don't want to vote on fucking everything. Is there a time limit on voting and how do you determine what's feasable, to avoid say...a bunch of fucking no-lifers from controling the voting just because they vote on EVERYTHING and become their own voting block by sheer volume

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ The internet would have to become a public utility ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And computers?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ There is also the idea that, similar to jury duty, random people would be selected to vote on things ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Taught to feel love!

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ So not everyone will be voting on everything ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Which makes it no representational

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Non

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ And poeple will only be asked to vote on things they have selected they are interested in ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Hmm. That seems like it would have some selection bias.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Indeed

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ so if i'm interested in science, the environment, and... idk energy, on occasion i'll be asked to vote on a bill about those things ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I would sooner see mandatory voting if we were to vote by lottery.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it could be a weighted RNG system similar to dota 2 ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I can see merit to the idea of representation by lottery though.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ if you haven't been selected lately, your chance of being selected goes up ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: So some votes are more equal then others?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ No ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ And there would be some way to opt into voting on things, but you couldn't opt to vote on everything (or you'd be flooding) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ similarly, the things you are asked to vote on, you are compelled to, at least with some degree of frequency. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ or if you don't, your vote is shunted to someone else. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ and on your topic of access to computers, at the least they could use public computers for it ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ but I'd like to think in a more directly democratic society, the economic situation of everyone would be more balanced ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ In this way, everyone would have access to a personal computer. Most already do, actually, if you include smart phones (which you should) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Seems like you're creating a technocratic society...those who best understand the technology and who have access to the best technology control everything. The common man might know how to vote but he won't understand the underpinnings of the process

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And thus they will never be able to fully excercise their voting potential

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ All of these processes would be open source and straightforward. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: There are a millions who don't know what is ment by "open source"

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ And besides, don't we need more computer literate people? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ if you aren't computer literate, you're increasingly being cut off from society. computer literacy needs to be taught to everyone becuase technology is just goign to keep advancing ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ (kankri is my spirit animal) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And there is the matter of dumb luck fucking you...a child protection bill comes up, the 3000 voters are selected...most of them are dumbasses and a few of them are child molesters who "help" the others vote

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: F6rth9r m6r9......

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ The voters wouldn't know eachother. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also who the fuck would write the bills?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Anyone with a fucking internet connection?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Which is anyone

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: How many inane "my cat dipsy needs her meds for cheaper, make a law that says all cat medicine has to be 1 dollars"

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Open source bills, people can change, highlight, create branches, people working on the bill vote on which branches come into realization, the move into another branch focused on the broader topic, and then that is sent onto the public ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: laws will get written

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it would function a little bit in that sense like a combination of github and reddit ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Which sounds very technocratic...the internet savvy rule everything then

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Would you prefer that to beureucratic? ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ those who understand law and business are the only ones who can wrap their heads around the inane language and methodology that is imposed on the public ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I'm just saying this...you're suggesting a new world buerocracy where people like you would be highly empowered

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: instead of law students from 20 years ago who are today the empowered class

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'd say that's an accurate statement, but it means something else, which I think is more significant ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ anyone who wants to can learn and contribute comfortably from their homes ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: [http://i.imgur.com/bcFfkqs.gif... http://i.imgur.com/bcFfkqs.gif... ]

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: http://i.imgur.com/bcFfkqs.gif ...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: /:

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ versus now, only those who have the background and the money, much harder things to come by, can contribute ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ the rest of us "vote" on which talking head they want to fuck them next ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: But you also said...voted by the "next branch"

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ My point is, no, it's not perfect, but I think it's better. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also how do you handle structures that NEED a direct command structure...like the military

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ By branch i meant the people who got together and said "we need a bill that does this" ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: or do you want WIKI-Aircommand

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAG: OMG YES

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Military things are not in my purview, so I can't give an accurate testament. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: But people who get together can also mean one lonely old lady

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: and then 4chan bombs Nickelback

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ So I have no idea how military would work ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Who resubmits essentially the same dumb god awful bill every 10 minute cause she's bored

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Wiki-AirCommand sounds fantastic.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ you know what happens when someone makes a shitty bill on reddit? downvotes ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I could see a great science fiction novel coming out of it.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ shitty post* ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ the same thing will happen in this situation ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Except you can't ride the failboat out of your right to paraticpate in goverment

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ How do you mean ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: It means huge amounts of chaff...you can't ban someone for writing terrible bills or laws

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Hehehe

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ of course not, but you can bury thier suggestion in downvotes ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Also what happens when the juggalos form a virtual voting block...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ you downvote them ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ^^^...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: One could bring back the system of ostracization...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: ...but that has its own downfalls.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: People make bots that upvote ALL their content...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ There would need to be a bill of rights ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: 4chan raids places and upvotes eachothers submissions...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ bots may work, but only registered peopel can vote ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ so you can only use the thing tied to your SSN for instance ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Man, the /b/ party would be hilarious too.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ yes it would ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And yeah, there is that...malicious trolls

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ and parties may actually help simplify the system ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Not like malicious trolls don't have power in the current system, though.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ you can identify with a party, and it will autovote for you (or rather, autoselect, you have to actually confirm the votes) ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ ^^ ty AA ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Some have made the argument that's exactly what the Tea Party is.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Hey, I've got no horses in this race.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ They're reactionary semi-fascists ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: I feel so out of place in a political debates...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I am in favor of radical overhauls of the entire idea of government. Like building robots to tell us what to do.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: And then rebel against the robots because they don't set out allowances high enough.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Stupid robots.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm actually a strong advocate of AI driven distribution and management ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Weak AI, of course. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: But reguardless...my main problem is the fact that it's a burocracy as well...also the goverment structure itself can be very easily overridden

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Or putting all of our faith into a God-Emperor of Mankind. I nominate myself, obviously.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: For example...I propose a bill...Legalize Bot voting

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ A human level AI could act as a non-biased entity of constitutional upholding ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: A human-level AI wouldn't be non-biased. =P

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: A human level AI has failings that can come about due to the nature of it's learning capabilities

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ a framework for the government that would prevent certain things from entering the government, such as "All blonde people will be shot" ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Like...what happens if non partial ai discovers...YOLO

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: It would have its own wants and needs, and kids to feed.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: no gt...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: no...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ By impartial, I mean bound to upholding the constitution ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And you can't vote to change it's programing or reformat it?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ if some bill comes in and it is declared it breaks the constitution (and it declares why) then it can black it ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Man, robots are notoriously good at working around those things.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: They're like super lawyers.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Not without a super majority ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ But honestly majority tyranny isn't a huge issue ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: They do it for fun! Because what else are you going to do with a brain the size of a planet?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Figuring out the Ultimate Answer to Life the Universe and Everything only takes so much processing power.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: A huge majority? you're saying voting is done in blocks to prevent holy fuck stagnation

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: it really takes more like 10,000 people

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: or 7,000 dumbasses and a decently charismatic social engineer

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: (i.e. Politics)

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Which basically makes it the same as things are today

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm saying that voting to change something big, like an amendment, that could mess up the framework of the government, youd need a lot of peopel to be game with it ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ and second of all, yes, it is possible to persuade people toward things ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: All I'm saying is...I love small scale techno-socialism and techno-democracy...large scale is...pretty awful

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ But you cant' do it with money anymore this way ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Large-scale anything sort of breaks down into awfulness.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Because A: how do you know who is voting on it ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ and B: how the hell are you going to pay all of them enough to get them to agree to vote a certain way ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I would think that system of goverment would work best ala "Diamond Age"

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: The free market works fine in small scale, but take it to large scale and you just have micro governments making war on each other.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ and it wouldn't be 10000 people ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ it'd be more like 1-10 million poeple ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Communism works great in the small scale, but tak eit to large scale and it becomes totalitarianism.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ A lot of things don't scale well ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: most things don't

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Take that same sentence and replace the word "Communism" with "Anarchism," "Direct Democracy," etc.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT graciousTerminator [CGT] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { To me that;s the biggest flaw in America's concept of a free market }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ But we have to try to make something work, or we will stagnate and go nowhere ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { Just that it kind of loses the free when bloated to such a scale }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm advocating a new system that we haven't tried before ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I hate to say it but with your system MC, it would be better to have City States

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I agree GT ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: MMMMM

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Or Franchise Nations

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I actually thing the opposite GT ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: DELICIOUS CITY-STATES

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: YAY RESOLUTION'...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I think it would only work in a unified earth ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: When can we go for the Mega-Corps

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: op...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ One nation under sol ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: So why should a man in bangledesh get to vote on my garbage pick up date?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ or, spatially positioned however you see fit from your perspective from sol ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Can I become a citizen of Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong then, CCC?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: OMFG OMFG OMFG

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: AA you never fail to be incredible awesome

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCC: AA I THINK I LOVE YOU

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ There would, of course, be micro and macro bills ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: :D

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ A collective of citystates all over earth that are united (The united states of earth) would be more along the lines of what i'm thinking ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { So guys }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { You know the garbage day vid right }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { From Silent Night Deadly Night 2? }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ United such that they don't kill eachother, states so they can handle their own shit. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: GT post it...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ TIEM FOR CLOSING ARGUMENTS SO I CAN DO SOEM SHIT BEFORE I NEED TO PULL SAMI IN ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ if you have any, gt ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gIpuIVE3k }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { My friends and I filmed a renactment today }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: { I'll post our version soon }

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ what the fuck ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: CC, I finished my sheet :D...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ do we have an official fillable sheet yet ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: I agree this model can work in small scale communities where everyone has a vested interest in their immediate area or in the community they have choosen to live in. However I think for macro scale politics, it is unfeasable or at least only a lateral move from today's current political climate

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ And to that I say: The school of thought known as participatory democracy states that the reason people are so distanced from politics is because they don't have much opprotunity to participate. If there were more avenues for participation (not just in government, but in schools, the workplace, etc) then there would be more effective government by the people. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'll let you have the last word if you want. ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CURRENT galactoidArrival [CGA] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: hey

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: I don't think there's really any huge advantage to ditching our current model, other than the fact that there are certain things about the current model that need to be changed to fix some major issues and that are hard to do because the people who make the decisions benefit from them--for example, Campaign Finance Reform, or hugely increasing the number of districts with Representatives in Cong

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> limit the effects of gerrymandering.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: ill be ready in like 15 minutes

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: whoa words

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: political debates :D ...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: oh

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: cool

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Yes.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ Oh yea ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ We all turned into kankri ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ^^^...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: You missed it, I got to reference Illuminatus!, the Dresden Files, AND Snow Crash.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: k brb for like 15 mins tho

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: Indeed...and this is what a non angry civilized debate looks like...not a fight

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ or at least myself and GT did ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGA: bathroom emeRBGENc

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ And I very much enjoyed it GT <3 ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ It's fun to debate in a level-headed fashion ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: And less people get shipped...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ hahaha ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CGT: In other news...I am going to be establishing the WoH Server

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Also the Hitchhiker's Guide, but I usually only make it thirty minutes between Hitchhiker's Guide references anyway.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CMC: ♐ I'm posting this fuckin log ♏

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: So it's barely worth mentioning when I do.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: 30 min?...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: Thats a bit little ...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CAA: Maybe 42.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: ^^^...

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"> CCA: This guy gets it...